Arj256 - Mk2 Restoration

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Post by Arj256 » 24 Mar 2013, 17:10

Having been tempted with giving greenlaning a go for a while, I was scouring Gumtree for bikes in the area and stumbled across an advert for a 1991 Honda CRM 250.
Liking the look of the bike and having never heard of it before I did abit of research finding it had a good owner’s forum, something which a lot of the other bike forums lacked, so arranged to have a look.
Had a look and the bike was as described with having all new service bits replaced along with tyres and chain so came across cared for. So a deal was done and had a new bike to tinker with.

The bike didn't have an MOT or Tax so these where two things I set about sorting out straight away.

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Giving the bike a good once over, I noticed that only one of the indicators worked, so removed those, along with the pillion pegs.
Next I noticed that the brake light switch was faulty so swapped that over for a universal one which works nicely.
Gave the oil pump pulley a quick once over for being correct, and took it down for its MOT:

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After a nervous waiting during its MOT and it being stubborn to start up for checking the electrics, it passed with a few advisories :D

Popped out for a ride that evening on the bike, and noticed that it had a hesitant throttle which cleared higher up the revs, but bogged down on low throttle, and that the front brake wasn't very good.
Bike rode well, other than not being as quick as I imagined.
Despite being tempted to go and explore I thought it would be more sensible to get to the bottom of the rough running and give the bike a proper going over to avoid breaking down in the middle of nowhere.

So I set about having a good inspection of the bike:

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What I initially noticed was that the exhaust was blowing from the port to the manifold, so I took the exhaust off as I wanted to have a look at the piston anyway.
Upon inspecting the exhaust it had a hole just below the flange.
Looking inside the exhaust port I could see that there was scoring on both the piston and the barrel.
Because of this it would be sensible to replace it before any further damage ensued.
Due to the need to remove the barrel I thought this would be a good opportunity to give the frame and sub frame a fresh coat of paint and inspect the steering and suspension bearings at the same time.
I noticed from the first ride out that the fork seals had started to weep so will do those as well.

I also noticed that the kick starter was loose on its shaft, so much so that it had been making contact with the fuel tank and had dented it.
Wanting to sort this out I removed it and had an inspection.
Upon inspection it turned out that the kick starter shaft had worn, the bolt and kick start shaft hole had ovalized. The combination of these was resulting in play.
The simplest way I could think of to remove the play was to build the kick starter shaft back up with weld and then file the groove for the bolt so that it was tight again.
After doing this and making sure that the ball bearing inside the kick starter was free, I reassembled it and it has eliminated most of the play meaning that it is no longer making contact with the fuel tank :)

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So I began to strip the bike down:

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Anyone know where the rear rack comes from? Not seen one like it on other CRM's.

Found out the reason why the rear indicators didn't work after unwrapping plenty of electrical tape on the rear loom:

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Continuing stripping down the bike and taking plenty of pictures for future reference:

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Fortunately when it came to the swing arm, the bolt came out with little fuss, which was relieving after reading how much grief they can cause!

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With the engine and frame removed, I begun cleaning up various bits and bobs and sorting out various bits which needed renovating.
One part of which was the rear brake lever, which was making contact with the clutch cover.
This was a relatively simple fix involving an oxy acetylene torch and a few gentle taps from the hammer to bend it out slightly.

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One of the foot pegs had its teeth bent in, so these was also heated up and straightened to, then dressed up with a file.

Next up was giving the yokes a good clean and inspection:

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Unfortunately despite the bearings appearing to have been replaced recently there was signs of pitting and rust, not to mention them not feeling particularly smooth, so sought the opportunity to remove them now and replace.
With the bearings replaced, I also changed the ignition switch for a Honda XL400 Transalp 88-98 Ignition Switch as the old one had seen better days.
These lines up fine with the existing holes in the yoke, with the main difference being that you have to solder the original cable onto the bottom of the new ignition due to it being 3 cable plug rather than the 2 the CRM uses.

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Next the front sprocket cover has been tidied up.
It would appear that it has had material taken out of it by the previous owner:

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A bit of filing later to try and dress out the worst of it:

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After spending some time cleaning up the original fairings, which I found brass polish worked rather well at getting out the stained in mud and the yellowing of the plastic from age.
I ordered a decal set from eBay, upon arrival it was pink and had a blue bit on the wording after CRM not to mention being a poor fit.
So a friend who is a sign maker, made new decals up for me and fitted them to the panel.
Unfortunately they couldn't do the luminous colour the originals seem to be, so I settled for red instead:

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Due to the exhaust having a hole below the flange, I set about brazing on a suitable patch to resolve this:

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Will give that area a lick of paint at some time to try and stop it rusting through again.
As I had abit of time spare, I also tarted up the back box as its exhaust pipe and end plates where very rusty, so abit of masking and shot blasting later, a few coats of heatproof paint where added and it looked much tidier.

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Thought it would be wise to have a look at the carb and see if this was the cause of the hesitant ride.
Took it apart to clean everything up:

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The fuel that came out of the carb float chamber was rather green, so that wouldn't have been helping things.
I ended up using the fuel out of the tank in another bike before stripping the carb and that didn't run very well so I recon it was bad fuel that had been sitting for a while.
The rest of the carb was quite clean, and the float height was as per specification.
Carb all cleaned up awaiting new gasket kit and pilot jet:

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In preparation for getting the frame powder coated I have been grit blasting the various parts and brackets of the bike and assorting them ready to go all in together to hopefully keep the price down when it’s done:

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After seeing helisupp's recommendation for using a Nylon impregnated wheel containing abrasive grit for cleaning up the engine I had a go.
First of all I made some blanks to make sure nothing could get into the engine and then set about cleaning the engine.

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Once the engine was cleaned up, I could then remove the barrel so that I could have a good inspect of the bores, and check the crank for wear.
Everything was quite hard to remove which made me think it hadn't been off before, once off it was noticed that the barrel had quite abit of scoring along with the piston.

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With the barrel off I could remove the piston as it was well past its best. Interestingly it gave quite alright compression when tested before removal. It was 135psi down 42 psi of what would be ideal.
With the piston off I could check the crank big end bearing for play and that was fine fortunately, so a top end refresh shall suffice for now.

As I am going to send the barrel away for re boring, and that the power valve has to be removed for re profiling, I thought I would remove it so I could clean it up and check all was well with it.
After making up a slide hammer to try and get it out, that didn't work, so in the end tapping the slide hammer with a hammer gently persuaded it to come out and I could see it was quite coked up which would explain why it didn't pull out with minimal force.

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In between doing the barrel I have also started replacing the bearings on my swing arm and bell crank. This is because they all had quite abit of side to side play other than the swing arm bearings, which I thought was fine due to them having no play on the MOT. Upon disassembly it was apparent why.
They had seized in situé and the rollers came out in half when I removed the bushings, so they had seen better days..

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Post by fallenmikethebike » 24 Mar 2013, 17:56

:D Well ARJ, not only does your post describe the usual litany of faults to be found on any 20 year old bike used for unsurfaced riding, [ not just CRM's] it's also a pretty damn good synopsis of what's needed to get another 20 years of service out of the old girl, well done.
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Post by knackeredMk1 » 24 Mar 2013, 17:58

Very good. Looks like another CRM getting the full works treatment.

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Post by fishtail » 24 Mar 2013, 18:16

wow! :BB please come and stay with me in Hong kong - how long u need to finish mine? :D
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Post by fallenmikethebike » 24 Mar 2013, 19:35

fishtail wrote:wow! :BB please come and stay with me in Hong kong - how long u need to finish mine? :D
:D He might need the other end of that piece of string in my pocket to answer that one :lol: .
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Post by Mudfacetony » 06 Apr 2013, 06:41

fallenmikethebike wrote::D Well ARJ, not only does your post describe the usual litany of faults to be found on any 20 year old bike used for unsurfaced riding, [ not just CRM's] it's also a pretty damn good synopsis of what's needed to get another 20 years of service out of the old girl, well done.
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Looks just like my mk3 did and my mk2 does. Will give the mk2 the same treatment after the summer
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Post by rich1960 » 09 Apr 2013, 14:29

This makes me think I should be doing my MK2, but then i'll be too scared to ride it

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Post by admin » 16 Jun 2013, 09:06

any update on this - stunning work so far

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Post by pudzie83 » 18 Jun 2013, 21:21

how was it running with that piston lol proof that crm's are here till the end of time :)
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Post by javi » 26 Oct 2013, 08:26

Any Update?
Interesting to know the final story and see her back up and running.

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Post by Arj256 » 28 Oct 2013, 22:21

The next task that I started with, was sorting out the radiator fins. This was one of those tasks I wished I hadn't started, but I am sure it is a contributor to why the bikes over heat when moving slowly.
The radiator fins on both my radiators wasn't letting the air through so that's a good rainy evening job to straighten up:

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With the bearings out of the swingarm and the lower suspension linkage, I sourced new replacement bearings along with new bushes and seals to replace the lot.
After having a shock how much that all came to, I decided that it’s never seeing mud as I don't want to replace them again ;) I set about fitting the bearings and making sure that they are well greased.

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Quite obvious in hindsight, but remove the seal before trying to remove the bearing, does make things alot easier!

With the moving bits ready, I got the frame and rear subframe ready for powder coating.
Trying to save a few pennies on the powder coating, I made sure that the frame was as clean as practical and blanked up all the threaded parts.
Then I made some protective plates to protect the head bearing races.

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With the frame and rear subframe prepared, along with the other assorted parts I had ready previously, I took them down to the powder coaters.

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Post by Arj256 » 28 Oct 2013, 22:21

Later in the week I got a call that my cylinder barrel had been re bored and was in the post.
When it arrived I set about rebuilding the top end:

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I popped the piston in:

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And then the piston rings:

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And then put it all together:

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All ready to be placed inside the frame when back from powder coaters.

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Post by Arj256 » 28 Oct 2013, 22:22

As I had a bit of spare time, I set about giving the exhaust a lick of paint over where I had patched it, to give it a fighting chance against corrosion:

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After quite a few months later, I got a call from the powder coaters.. Informing me that it had been done.
So I Went to pick up the parts, and all was good apart from the frame. They had powder coated over the frame number :(
This was rather annoying as it was specified on the job sheet not to do this.
They said it wouldn't be a problem and would remedy this.
So a week later, I get a call to go and pick up the frame. To my annoyance they had just masked off around the area, and then paint stripped it so it was bare metal.
I complained and explained that this wasn't good, as it would just lift the paint off in no time.
They offered to spray it over again, but the frame numbers were still full of paint, and I would be back to square one with an unreadable frame number.
So I negotiated a discount on the job and decided to sort it out myself.

Quite abit of time later with a scalpel, I managed to get the paint out of the lettering and had it half presentable.
Infuriatingly they had grit blasted the lettering, so alot of the depth had been lost. Along with a couple of the letter bottoms eroded completely.
Fortunately after painting you can just make out the lettering:

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Here was the frame after getting it back from the powder coaters:

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I spent quite abit of time, blowing out any grit from behind the threads, and got some cheap 2 stroke oil to clean out the oil ways inside the frame. In case there had been any contamination.

Once that was done, I set about putting the engine into the frame, which is always fun with freshly painted stuff.
Plenty of tape later to protect the paint and a little bit of jiggery pokey, the engine was in the frame along with the swingarm:

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Post by Arj256 » 28 Oct 2013, 22:22

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Next I set about fitting the refurbished shock absorber which I had sent away to G Force suspension to have serviced and re valved a few months previous.
I also replaced the bearing, bushing and seal on the shock absorber. As like the other bearings this was also seized.

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Because of the powder coating, I had to spend a little time making sure the earth’s on the upper engine mount was good, so this was done and then fitted into position along with the 2 stroke reservoir pipe:

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Next up I started with fitting the rear brake lever and reservoir:

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Post by Arj256 » 28 Oct 2013, 22:23

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Then I fitted the rest of the brake system along with the rear wheel:

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With the rear wheel on it was time to fit the front yokes and steering bearings, fortunately the bearings had been converted to taper roller bearings already. So I could reuse the existing races in the frame and just fit the new bearings.
So plenty of grease later and the yokes where on:

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