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Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 11 May 2011, 23:44
by adamgamsa
Silly question answered elsewhere I'm sure, but Mk2 air screw default setting is 1 1/4 turns out. Does turning it in from there richen or lean the mixture? Thanks! I'm never sure if I'm dealing with a restriction in the air or the fuel, which have the opposite effects.

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 12 May 2011, 00:15
by twistednuts
Clockwise, therefore less turns out, richens the mixture.

I hope im right else no wonder im runnin lean!! :D

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 12 May 2011, 10:21
by knackeredMk1
Correct Twisted :!: .



;)

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 13 May 2011, 23:00
by adamgamsa
I'm running premix for the time being with an opened up airbox, air filter which is currently unoiled (should I oil it?) and DEP pipe. I can richen the pilot mixture to my satisfaction (1 turn out seems rich enough without bogging badly), but I don't want to run lean in the powerband. Following the suggestion in the FAQ, I'm going to go for a main jet one size larger than stock. How about raising the needle one notch too? Do you think that's overkill? I know the answer's to run it and see, but what's your gut feeling? (I promise not to complain if the engine seizes etc) Cheers!

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 14 May 2011, 00:00
by twistednuts
Well ive had running lean probs if youve seen my posts an ive done exactly what you propose - one size up on jet and moved one notch down (however you wanna word it) to raise the needle. Runs a lot better. Air screw is 1 1/8 out.

Oiled filter is good

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 14 May 2011, 08:07
by adamgamsa
That's really helpful to hear - cheers. I've found 1 1/8 good for the pilot screw good too.

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 15 May 2011, 14:29
by garyd
Mine has EXACTLY the same problem ,i am running the same jets as you ,this only happened since changing to a DEP pipe!!!!!!!!!!!standard was fine no jerking ,it is the pipe that is the cause of it

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 17 May 2011, 21:07
by knackeredMk1
The pipe may have caused sight rejetting. However since you are reboring etc you may that find rejetting is unneccessary .......... Or maybe it is :? . We shall see.

Also jets wear with time so get bigger as the fluid flowing through them erodes the brass. So it's worth renewing the jets after long use.

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 26 May 2011, 16:15
by garyd
Well after putting mine back together and running standard pipe........................................................................................................no hunting/surging etc so DEP front pipe for sale ,first £100 +p&p it is very good condition ,

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 29 May 2011, 03:40
by back off road
after the cr conversion the bike that ran fine is now running CRAP probably due to the open airbox the main jet has gone from std 128 to 132 via 130 (no real difference)then with the pro-circuit silencer added a jump to 135 and the plug chop its giving decent results :lol: trial and error but a quick plug chop and if its lean UPJET before any problems occur

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 05 Jun 2011, 14:14
by garyd
If the bike is surging etc on a closed throttle ,ie,coming to a junction /bend etc is it running lean or rich and what part of the carb circuit is it therefore running on ??i think the idle circuit as in pilot jet ,am i correct or miles off here,got a 48/128 set up now

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 05 Jun 2011, 15:51
by fallenmikethebike
garyd wrote:If the bike is surging etc on a closed throttle ,ie,coming to a junction /bend etc is it running lean or rich and what part of the carb circuit is it therefore running on ??i think the idle circuit as in pilot jet ,am i correct or miles off here,got a 48/128 set up now
It sounds as though you're engine is pulling in excess air through a leak somewhere.
There are many places that this could occur, here's a few.
Reed block, favourite.
Crank seals.
Crank cases.
Also check breather hoses are not blocked, ditto for the overflow hose.
Check the pilot jet is not partially blocked, clean it with some carb spray.
Richen up the needle jet by one notch, by, lowering the spring washer by one notch, middle is standard.
Clean the air filter, and re-oil it with a dedicated filter oil.
Can you hear the slide body clicking closed in the carb, body?
Mike

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 06 Jun 2011, 18:45
by garyd
Didnt notice this before the piston /rebore,all ive done is clean carb,and adjust the mixture screw to standard ,think it was only 1 turn out before

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 06 Jun 2011, 18:58
by fallenmikethebike
garyd wrote:Didnt notice this before the piston /rebore,all ive done is clean carb,and adjust the mixture screw to standard ,think it was only 1 turn out before
Their all slightly prone to requiring the personal setting, return the setting to one turn, if this does work, that would sort of confirm some air is getting into the system.
What's the story on the plug? is it showing signs of a weak mixture?
Mike

Re: hunting / surging / horse kicking on the overrun

Posted: 06 Jun 2011, 23:23
by garyd
Im a bit shy of opening it up now ,dont want to go bang again